Taking Sides

well, and so on, and so on. 598 00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,400 I was also fortunate that [inaudible] [? von shaeback, ?] 599 00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,600 who controlled Vienna, hated Dr. Goebbels 600 00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:48,840 and would do anything to thwart his wishes. 601 00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:53,400 But this time Goebbels got to my doctors before me. 602 00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:55,200 And they were frightened off. 603 00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:57,600 [? von shaeback ?] was threatened, bullied, 604 00:36:57,600 --> 00:36:59,400 and gave in. 605 00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:02,000 So I had no alternative but to conduct for Hitler. 606 00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:05,800 Believe me, I-- 607 00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:08,200 I knew I had compromised. 608 00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:10,240 And I deeply regret it. 609 00:37:10,240 --> 00:37:13,000 Doesn't sound like much of a trick to me. 610 00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:14,600 Sounds like you made a deal. 611 00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:16,600 I made no deal. 612 00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:17,720 I don't buy that. 613 00:37:17,720 --> 00:37:18,400 It's the truth. 614 00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:24,080 I keep hearing you helped a lot of Jews to escape. 615 00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:25,200 How did you do that? 616 00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:30,120 I don't remember in detail. 617 00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:31,200 There were so many. 618 00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:32,600 Did you call someone you knew? 619 00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:33,600 Oh, I may have. 620 00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:35,080 As I said, I simply don't remember. 621 00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:36,520 Let me help you. 622 00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:40,040 You picked up the phone and made a call. 623 00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:43,040 Hello, Adolph, Wilhelm speaking. 624 00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:45,080 Listen, old pal, there's a Jew boy musician 625 00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:46,200 I'd like you to help. 626 00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:48,840 He needs a permit to get to Paris. 627 00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:51,040 Or maybe you call, Goebbels or Goering. 628 00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:52,640 You were so close. 629 00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:55,960 You were in the same shithouse as them. 630 00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:57,040 May I ask you a question? 631 00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:58,280 Sure. 632 00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:00,360 When will my case be heard by the tribunal? 633 00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:04,160 Your guess is as good as mine. 634 00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:06,880 I need to work. 635 00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:08,040 I need to make my living. 636 00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:09,520 I live off the generosity of friends. 637 00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:10,680 Tough. 638 00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:12,200 Tough! 639 00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:14,400 Then why is it, please, that another conductor, who actually 640 00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:17,440 was a member of the party, who used to play the [inaudible] 641 00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:19,640 before his concerts, has already been cleared 642 00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:24,000 and he's working again, while I have to wait and wait and wait? 643 00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:24,800 I don't know. 644 00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:25,640 It wasn't my case? 645 00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:29,840 Why did you escape to Switzerland 646 00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:32,240 just before the war ended? 647 00:38:32,240 --> 00:38:34,280 What? 648 00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:35,960 Why did you escape to Switzerland 649 00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:37,640 just before the war ended? 650 00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:39,960 It was because I learned that the Gestapo was 651 00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:41,280 about to arrest me. 652 00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:42,960 Why were they going to arrest you? 653 00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:44,560 I believe it was because of another letter 654 00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:46,320 I'd written to Goebbels, lamenting 655 00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:51,320 the decline of musical standards due to racial policies. 656 00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:55,120 You didn't complain about the racial policies, just about 657 00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:58,440 the musical standards? 658 00:38:58,440 --> 00:38:59,200 Is that right? 659 00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:05,080 So how did you learn that the Gestapo was out to get you? 660 00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:07,120 During an enforced hour-long interval 661 00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:09,440 because of a power failure at a concert here in Berlin. 662 00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:12,000 Albert Speer, the Minister of Parliament said to me, 663 00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,240 you look very tired, Mr. Furtwangler. 664 00:39:14,240 --> 00:39:17,200 You should go abroad for a while. 665 00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:18,680 I knew exactly what he meant. 666 00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:20,760 You sure knew a lot of people in high places. 667 00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:21,560 [sighs] 668 00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:25,320 Well, it would be true to say I think that a lot of people 669 00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:26,480 in high places knew me. 670 00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:28,640 You were real close to all of them-- 671 00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:34,840 to Adolf, to Hermann, to Josef, to