The Souvenir

They probably don't... 668 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:44,000 Didn't when you were there. 669 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:44,367 Yeah, no, no. 670 00:36:44,367 --> 00:36:45,369 Absolutely, yes. 671 00:36:46,369 --> 00:36:48,271 I studied history of art 672 00:36:48,271 --> 00:36:49,739 and then continued at the Courtauld. 673 00:36:49,739 --> 00:36:51,340 It was a funny time then, 'cause it was just 674 00:36:51,340 --> 00:36:53,340 after the war, so... 675 00:36:51,340 --> 00:36:53,476 Uh-huh. 676 00:36:53,476 --> 00:36:56,413 I suppose it was rather different in your day. 677 00:36:56,413 --> 00:36:57,780 Hmm... Well, I don't know. 678 00:36:57,780 --> 00:36:58,016 ROSALIND: I think we're off. I think we're off. 679 00:36:59,016 --> 00:37:00,583 We're ready for lunch. Come on through. 680 00:37:00,583 --> 00:37:02,583 Hmm. Jolly good. 681 00:37:00,583 --> 00:37:02,786 ROSALIND: Do come through. 682 00:37:02,786 --> 00:37:03,987 Julie, darling, can you just 683 00:37:03,987 --> 00:37:05,987 come and help me? 684 00:37:03,987 --> 00:37:05,056 Yes. 685 00:37:07,056 --> 00:37:09,693 Starting on the wine, I suppose. 686 00:37:09,693 --> 00:37:11,762 WILLIAM: Hopefully. Yep, I think we've got 687 00:37:11,762 --> 00:37:13,931 a nice bottle of something there. 688 00:37:14,931 --> 00:37:16,931 ANTHONY: Through here? 689 00:37:14,931 --> 00:37:16,032 No, straight on. 690 00:37:16,032 --> 00:37:17,567 Straight ahead. 691 00:37:17,567 --> 00:37:19,068 Got to get over the barrier, though. 692 00:37:19,068 --> 00:37:20,536 It's a rather curious tradition 693 00:37:20,536 --> 00:37:21,838 we have in this house. 694 00:37:21,838 --> 00:37:23,539 It's meant to keep the dogs out, 695 00:37:23,539 --> 00:37:25,315 but actually it keeps people out. 696 00:37:32,315 --> 00:37:34,818 I think a lot of them are young men 697 00:37:34,818 --> 00:37:37,387 who were dragged from their beds 698 00:37:37,387 --> 00:37:38,655 at the crack of dawn, 699 00:37:38,655 --> 00:37:42,358 with little or no hard evidence 700 00:37:42,358 --> 00:37:43,994 to say that they were 701 00:37:44,994 --> 00:37:47,365 what we would consider 702 00:37:49,365 --> 00:37:50,768 criminals. 703 00:37:51,768 --> 00:37:54,371 I don't think granting these men 704 00:37:54,371 --> 00:37:58,342 political status is such a big deal. 705 00:37:58,342 --> 00:38:03,780 We don't know that they're necessarily affiliated 706 00:38:03,780 --> 00:38:06,682 with the exact same organization 707 00:38:06,682 --> 00:38:10,920 who put bombs under cars and shoot prison wardens 708 00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:14,490 while they're going about their everyday lives. 709 00:38:14,490 --> 00:38:16,126 It's terribly complicated. 710 00:38:17,126 --> 00:38:18,661 WILLIAM: Complicated? 711 00:38:18,661 --> 00:38:20,996 But we've got to protect society, haven't we? 712 00:38:20,996 --> 00:38:24,601 But they're just as much part of society as anybody else, 713 00:38:24,601 --> 00:38:26,135 that's what they would say. 714 00:38:26,135 --> 00:38:27,904 And, uh, do you... 715 00:38:27,904 --> 00:38:30,507 WILLIAM: Well, I haven't set any bombs recently. Have you? 716 00:38:30,507 --> 00:38:32,809 No, but you haven't necessarily felt the need to, 717 00:38:32,809 --> 00:38:36,413 'cause you've felt that you have a political voice. 718 00:38:36,413 --> 00:38:37,681 ANTHONY: Mmm-hmm. 719 00:38:38,681 --> 00:38:41,786 Or, or am I wrong about that? 720 00:38:42,786 --> 00:38:44,420 I think you're wrong, really, 721 00:38:44,420 --> 00:38:45,956 if you don't mind my saying so. 722 00:38:45,956 --> 00:38:48,893 I think... I'm amazed to hear you say this, but, um... 723 00:38:49,893 --> 00:38:51,728 It's refreshing to hear this. 724 00:38:51,728 --> 00:38:52,996 WILLIAM: I'm quite sure 725 00:38:52,996 --> 00:38:55,565 they're not all guilty as charged. 726 00:38:55,565 --> 00:38:58,001 But I'm sure the majority of them are. 727 00:38:59,001 --> 00:39:00,536 Some of them are proven guilty, 728 00:39:00,536 --> 00:39:02,541 some are not. Um... 729 00:39:04,541 --> 00:39:07,010 But can we risk having bombs, pipe bombs, 730 00:39:08,010 --> 00:39:09,679 all sorts of foul things 731 00:39:09,679 --> 00:39:12,416 that are going on all over Northern Ireland? 732 00:39:12,416 --> 00:39:14,416 Can we allow that? 733 00:39:12,416 --> 00:39:14,117 ANTHONY: I'm not an apologist. 734 00:39:14,117 --> 00:39:15,619 Darling. 735 00:39:15,619 --> 00:39:16,887 WILLIAM: And if we lock up a few innocents 736 00:39:16,887 --> 00:39:19,889 in the process, well, that's part of it. 737 00:39:19,889 --> 00:39:21,889 I'm not an apologist... 738 00:39:19,889 --> 00:39:21,559 No, thank you, darling. 739 00:39:23,559 --> 00:39:26,199 ...for violence on either side. 740 00:39:29,199 --