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00:33:58,833 --> 00:34:01,458 that has not raised concerns when it comes to-- 619 00:34:01,541 --> 00:34:03,875 [woman] And then there's the societal question. 620 00:34:04,500 --> 00:34:08,458 We at the Medical Research Council have expended considerable resources 621 00:34:08,541 --> 00:34:10,833 looking into the problem of overpopulation. 622 00:34:10,916 --> 00:34:15,208 No doubt. If I may… that is an entirely different argument. 623 00:34:15,291 --> 00:34:18,125 You deny overpopulation is a problem? 624 00:34:18,208 --> 00:34:21,541 No, what I take issue with is the infertile being penalized 625 00:34:21,625 --> 00:34:23,291 by the profligacy of the fertile. 626 00:34:23,375 --> 00:34:25,500 Infertility is a scientific problem. 627 00:34:25,583 --> 00:34:29,208 So is overpopulation. But neither is the answer to the other. 628 00:34:29,291 --> 00:34:31,916 You always speak so well, Dr. Edwards. 629 00:34:32,583 --> 00:34:35,291 I do enjoy your appearances on Radio 4. 630 00:34:35,375 --> 00:34:40,000 [man] Which brings us to the issue of how many this will truly benefit. 631 00:34:40,083 --> 00:34:44,000 This is a very specific problem, which, let's face it, 632 00:34:44,083 --> 00:34:46,416 only affects a very small number of women. 633 00:34:46,500 --> 00:34:47,833 A small number? 634 00:34:48,666 --> 00:34:51,333 What you may not appreciate, Ms. Purdy, 635 00:34:51,416 --> 00:34:54,125 is that we serve the entire scientific community. 636 00:34:54,208 --> 00:34:56,166 Tell me, doctor, would this excite you more 637 00:34:56,250 --> 00:34:58,125 if it had a more masculine profile? 638 00:34:58,208 --> 00:35:00,583 [woman] Oh, come now, let's not be reductive. 639 00:35:00,666 --> 00:35:04,833 What you are offering… may seem exciting to you, 640 00:35:06,083 --> 00:35:08,125 may be exciting to the media, 641 00:35:08,208 --> 00:35:10,875 but is it exciting for science as a whole? 642 00:35:10,958 --> 00:35:11,958 Yes. 643 00:35:14,083 --> 00:35:17,166 [man] At the MRC, the question we're constantly asking is, 644 00:35:17,250 --> 00:35:21,750 "Will this contribute to our understanding of how we live in this world?" 645 00:35:21,833 --> 00:35:24,291 -Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes! It will. -[hands pound on table] 646 00:35:24,375 --> 00:35:25,916 Dr. Edwards, please. 647 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:30,166 There are women out there, lots of women, who believe if they can't have kids, 648 00:35:30,250 --> 00:35:33,333 they have failed their marriage and themselves. 649 00:35:34,125 --> 00:35:36,875 They don't understand what life is without children. 650 00:35:36,958 --> 00:35:40,041 [Bob] Infertility is a disease, and it is a brutal disease 651 00:35:40,125 --> 00:35:41,875 that wrecks marriages and lives. 652 00:35:41,958 --> 00:35:45,416 If you can't see that, well, then, shame on you! 653 00:35:45,500 --> 00:35:47,083 [tense music playing] 654 00:35:53,666 --> 00:35:55,000 [music fades out] 655 00:35:55,083 --> 00:35:56,500 [Bob] "Shame on you." 656 00:35:57,208 --> 00:35:59,416 -Could've handled that much better. -[Patrick chuckles] 657 00:35:59,500 --> 00:36:03,000 What you said was right, and we'd lost already by then. 658 00:36:03,083 --> 00:36:05,666 [sighs] If I could've only found a way to have persuaded them. 659 00:36:05,750 --> 00:36:06,833 We needed that money. 660 00:36:06,916 --> 00:36:10,208 -No, we wanted it. -[Bob] We work in a hospital outbuilding. 661 00:36:10,291 --> 00:36:13,916 It's a miracle it's heated, let alone that we conduct science there. 662 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,041 I spend more time in my car than I do in a lab. 663 00:36:16,125 --> 00:36:18,250 -I… I don't see my wife or my children. -Bob. 664 00:36:18,333 --> 00:36:21,166 Don't you "Bob" me. You don't like it any more than I do. 665 00:36:21,250 --> 00:36:24,125 You're exhausted. And you're a misery most of the time. 666 00:36:24,208 --> 00:36:27,166 You think that's why I'm a misery? 'Cause I don't like the travel? 667 00:36:27,250 --> 00:36:28,458 Well, then why are you? 668 00:36:28,541 --> 00:36:31,125 [Jean] Because I didn't see how this could be worth it. 669 00:36:31,208 --> 00:36:33,791 I understood the science, yet the graft of it felt… 670 00:36:33,875 --> 00:36:35,583 it felt very hard to me. 671 00:36:35,666 --> 00:36:39,583 You don't see your wife or kids. I've lost my church and my mum. 672 00:36:40,666 --> 00:36:44,375 Then I saw those so-called scientists sitting there, passing judgment on us, 673 00:36:44,458 --> 00:36:47,000 and I realized, no one else is going to do this. 674 00:36:47,083 --> 00:36:49,625 This fight is ours. We don't have a choice. 675 00:36:49,708 --> 00:36:51,083 [expectant music playing] 676 00:36:51,166 --> 00:36:53,958 -What happened in there just proved it. -Come on, Bob. 677 00...