The Armstrong Lie

00:40:31,111 --> 00:40:33,582 and he's brushing his teeth in his boxer shorts, 675 00:40:34,098 --> 00:40:37,502 and he decides to give himself a shot of EPO right in front of me. 676 00:40:37,527 --> 00:40:39,871 That was an attempt by him of just saying, 677 00:40:39,896 --> 00:40:42,240 "Listen, buddy, you've stepped over the line. 678 00:40:42,265 --> 00:40:44,598 "You're in the club. There's no going back." 679 00:40:44,623 --> 00:40:46,379 Where is everybody? 680 00:40:48,115 --> 00:40:52,594 His perspective was, "Listen, this doping's been in place for 100 years in this sport. 681 00:40:52,619 --> 00:40:55,793 "And I came into the system, and the system was already in place, 682 00:40:55,828 --> 00:40:58,923 "and I just have to 'play by the rules."' 683 00:40:58,948 --> 00:41:02,176 You weren't trying to beat the system. You were trying to be in the system. 684 00:41:02,430 --> 00:41:04,228 Nobody made me dope. 685 00:41:04,253 --> 00:41:07,991 I just knew that I had to dope to do the sport that I love to do. 686 00:41:08,016 --> 00:41:10,360 I was a good bike racer, and then all of a sudden, 687 00:41:10,385 --> 00:41:13,309 guys who can only sprint were getting over big climbs in front of me 688 00:41:13,334 --> 00:41:16,074 and doing things that they never could do before. 689 00:41:16,099 --> 00:41:19,129 And I was getting dropped and struggling, and so... 690 00:41:20,949 --> 00:41:23,748 I lived with that for a while, but after a while, I cracked. 691 00:41:23,773 --> 00:41:26,058 And so I ended up taking EPO also. 692 00:41:26,067 --> 00:41:31,158 And admitting to it doesn't make it justifiable or any better. 693 00:41:31,172 --> 00:41:33,675 But it was something that was pretty prevalent at the time. 694 00:41:33,700 --> 00:41:39,348 Now, in '99, when you were on Lance's team, was there a team program? 695 00:41:41,958 --> 00:41:44,461 I'm not gonna go into all that. 696 00:41:46,879 --> 00:41:50,598 Going into '99, there were massive risks regarding doping. 697 00:41:50,964 --> 00:41:53,217 I was really scared. 698 00:41:53,242 --> 00:41:55,870 You could go to jail for having this stuff. 699 00:41:55,995 --> 00:41:59,012 The big fear was basically getting caught holding. 700 00:41:59,037 --> 00:42:02,792 The Festina affair was not an entire team testing positive. 701 00:42:02,812 --> 00:42:07,110 The Festina affair was a soigneur crossing a border and a customs agent going, 702 00:42:07,135 --> 00:42:08,949 "Hang on a second." 703 00:42:11,279 --> 00:42:14,203 1999 was the year they cracked the code. 704 00:42:14,228 --> 00:42:16,822 It was the year they figured out how to win the race. 705 00:42:16,826 --> 00:42:20,832 They hit on a plan, and it was really Lance who hit on a plan. 706 00:42:20,857 --> 00:42:22,905 They would hire a guy. 707 00:42:22,930 --> 00:42:25,480 He was Lance's gardener. He was also a mechanic. 708 00:42:28,266 --> 00:42:32,879 They called him Motoman. He had a fast red motorcycle. He was fearless. 709 00:42:33,856 --> 00:42:36,279 Motoman basically did the Tour de France on a motorcycle, 710 00:42:36,304 --> 00:42:39,148 and he would meet up with a staff member 711 00:42:39,173 --> 00:42:42,207 and just do a subtle handoff at some restaurant. 712 00:42:42,232 --> 00:42:45,675 And then, next thing you know, I was back at the hotel 713 00:42:45,700 --> 00:42:48,965 and the doctor would administer it. 714 00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:51,794 A lot of people who watch our programs 715 00:42:51,819 --> 00:42:54,476 have heard of your illness and see you winning now 716 00:42:54,501 --> 00:42:56,799 and think it's nothing short of a miracle. 717 00:42:56,824 --> 00:42:58,576 Do you see it that way? 718 00:42:59,660 --> 00:43:00,926 Um... 719 00:43:01,996 --> 00:43:03,418 It is a miracle. 720 00:43:03,888 --> 00:43:07,643 At that time, he had recently taken delivery of EPO from Motoman. 721 00:43:07,668 --> 00:43:10,467 He was involved in all manner of doping. 722 00:43:10,492 --> 00:43:14,167 If they were doing this drug, why didn't they get caught? 723 00:43:14,192 --> 00:43:16,501 Well, there was no test for EPO at the time. 724 00:43:16,526 --> 00:43:18,654 Those early years, people, they always say to me, 725 00:43:18,679 --> 00:43:20,522 "Why didn't they do more? Why didn't they do more?" 726 00:43:20,547 --> 00:43:23,996 They could not do any more. You couldn't find it. 727 00:43:26,101 --> 00:43:28,873 In 2000, they developed a test for EPO. 728 00:43:28,898 --> 00:43:34,212 So the smart guys, Ferrari being one of them, went back to an older technology, 729 00:43:34,237 --> 00:43:38,834 which was you take out bags of blood before the race. 730 00:43:38,859 --> 00:43:41,387 During the race, you put them back in. 731 00:43:41,994 --> 00:43:46,990 <i>D