Red Dust

501 00:34:17,923 --> 00:34:20,204 he would have worked closely with whoever it was that did. 502 00:34:22,761 --> 00:34:24,863 [whispering indistinctly] 503 00:34:28,734 --> 00:34:31,770 [in foreign language] There is hope. 504 00:34:33,405 --> 00:34:35,941 We will look into application, Miss Bar cant, 505 00:34:36,442 --> 00:34:38,977 but for the moment, could you please confine the questions 506 00:34:39,145 --> 00:34:40,879 <i>to the arrest of Mr. Mpondo?</i> 507 00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:42,690 [Sarah on TV] <i>Thank you, Mr. Chairman.</i> 508 00:34:42,714 --> 00:34:45,083 [crowd clamoring on TV] 509 00:34:48,620 --> 00:34:49,620 Good start. 510 00:34:51,223 --> 00:34:53,159 Mr. Bester, would you continue? 511 00:34:53,725 --> 00:34:54,769 Yes, thank you, Mr. Chairman. 512 00:34:54,793 --> 00:34:55,993 - Mr. Hendricks... - Excuse me, 513 00:34:56,061 --> 00:34:57,163 but where are the exhibits? 514 00:34:57,429 --> 00:34:59,097 I asked that objects similar to the ones 515 00:34:59,265 --> 00:35:01,233 used on Alex Mpondo be brought here. 516 00:35:01,733 --> 00:35:03,602 [whispering indistinctly] 517 00:35:05,437 --> 00:35:07,939 They're, um, they're on their way from the police station. 518 00:35:08,540 --> 00:35:09,540 Did you say these objects 519 00:35:09,608 --> 00:35:11,048 are still held at the police station? 520 00:35:11,643 --> 00:35:13,612 Yes, it would appear so, Mr. Chairman. 521 00:35:14,380 --> 00:35:16,348 Not, I hope, still in use. 522 00:35:16,515 --> 00:35:17,515 [laughing] 523 00:35:17,616 --> 00:35:19,151 No, no, no, no. 524 00:35:21,153 --> 00:35:22,154 Uh, while we're waiting, 525 00:35:23,389 --> 00:35:25,670 can we get some more background information on the victim? 526 00:35:25,891 --> 00:35:27,493 Mr. Bester, I'm not a victim. 527 00:35:28,994 --> 00:35:31,463 Well, that is the legal term, Mr. Chairman. 528 00:35:31,830 --> 00:35:33,064 Don't refer to him as a victim 529 00:35:33,199 --> 00:35:34,366 if he doesn't like that word. 530 00:35:34,533 --> 00:35:35,693 Well, what should I call him? 531 00:35:36,168 --> 00:35:37,336 Mr. Mpondo. 532 00:35:39,338 --> 00:35:43,342 Mr. Hendricks, what led you to arrest Mr. Mpondo? 533 00:35:45,110 --> 00:35:47,179 I had information that he was involved 534 00:35:47,813 --> 00:35:53,151 in the transportation of MK terrorist weapons from up north. 535 00:35:53,585 --> 00:35:55,954 I got a tip-off that he was in the [indistinct] area. 536 00:35:57,155 --> 00:35:58,155 So we picked him up. 537 00:35:58,190 --> 00:35:59,658 So how did you set about 538 00:36:00,792 --> 00:36:03,028 accessing information from Mr. Mpondo? 539 00:36:11,169 --> 00:36:12,169 By beating him. 540 00:36:12,338 --> 00:36:14,172 [crowd chattering] 541 00:36:16,575 --> 00:36:18,043 [shouting in foreign language] 542 00:36:18,210 --> 00:36:20,330 [in foreign language] You should die in jail, you dog. 543 00:36:21,380 --> 00:36:22,514 Quiet, quiet. 544 00:36:24,883 --> 00:36:25,883 Severely? 545 00:36:30,088 --> 00:36:31,288 - [whip cracking] - [screaming] 546 00:36:37,763 --> 00:36:39,631 For the record, that's a yes. 547 00:36:41,833 --> 00:36:47,506 I... I got a sense that he... that he was holding back. 548 00:36:48,006 --> 00:36:50,342 So you had to put more pressure on him? 549 00:36:50,509 --> 00:36:51,710 We decided to break him. 550 00:36:52,210 --> 00:36:55,381 And, uh, how did you go about this? 551 00:36:59,718 --> 00:37:01,753 The prisoner would be brought into my office. 552 00:37:02,954 --> 00:37:04,189 We would have a conversation. 553 00:37:04,556 --> 00:37:05,676 - [blow landing] - [groaning] 554 00:37:06,292 --> 00:37:10,762 And... if that proved unsuccessful... 555 00:37:11,062 --> 00:37:12,062 [screaming] 556 00:37:12,398 --> 00:37:14,600 Then he would be forced 557 00:37:14,766 --> 00:37:15,367 [whip cracks] [screams] 558 00:37:15,667 --> 00:37:17,135 Over the table or 559 00:37:18,370 --> 00:37:19,871 suspended between the desks. 560 00:37:20,406 --> 00:37:22,073 [Chairman] And beaten again? 561 00:37:23,074 --> 00:37:24,074 Yeah. 562 00:37:25,210 --> 00:37:26,250 [Chairwoman] For how long? 563 00:37:26,878 --> 00:37:31,283 An hour or so, I had a clock. 564 00:37:31,683 --> 00:37:33,985 Then you would question him again. 565 00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:36,555 [Dirk] No, he'd be in no state to talk. 566 00:37:37,255 --> 00:37:38,890 He would be sent back to his cell 567 00:37:39,925 --> 00:37:41,927 and I would send for him the following night. 568 00:37:44,229 --> 00:37:45,764 But Mr. Mpondo, he held out. 569 00:37:46,164 --> 00:37:48,434 At which point you introduced the bag? 570 00:37:48,734 --> 00:37:49,734 That is correct. 571 00:37:50,569 --> 00:37:53,905 We know what you mean by the bag, Mr. Hendricks, 572 00: