Deliver Us from Evil

00:35:28,822 --> 00:35:31,520 unless someone from the diocese told them? 698 00:35:31,564 --> 00:35:32,869 They wouldn't, 699 00:35:32,913 --> 00:35:35,307 and at the time, 700 00:35:35,350 --> 00:35:37,396 the two just were not related. 701 00:35:37,439 --> 00:35:40,181 They just didn't coordinate. 702 00:35:40,225 --> 00:35:42,705 What do you mean when you say they weren't related, 703 00:35:42,749 --> 00:35:44,142 they didn't coordinate? 704 00:35:44,185 --> 00:35:45,926 Well, at the time of--of.. 705 00:35:45,969 --> 00:35:49,103 that he came in in '84 706 00:35:49,147 --> 00:35:51,888 to talk about this incident, 707 00:35:51,932 --> 00:35:53,934 certainly... 708 00:35:55,892 --> 00:35:58,112 I knew the one in '76 took place, 709 00:35:58,156 --> 00:36:00,375 but I didn't put the two together. 710 00:36:00,419 --> 00:36:02,203 One was a girl. 711 00:36:02,247 --> 00:36:04,379 It was inappropriate touching. 712 00:36:04,423 --> 00:36:07,121 The other was a boy, he said, 713 00:36:07,165 --> 00:36:11,081 so I just didn't hook them up in my own mind. 714 00:36:11,125 --> 00:36:12,866 Monsignor Cain then suggested 715 00:36:12,909 --> 00:36:14,694 I talk to the diocesan attorney. 716 00:36:14,737 --> 00:36:16,348 Oh, it was very difficult, yeah, 717 00:36:16,391 --> 00:36:19,089 because I was, you know, kind of-- 718 00:36:19,133 --> 00:36:21,353 you know that kind of unknowing thing? 719 00:36:21,396 --> 00:36:24,094 Um, I could be arrested. 720 00:36:24,138 --> 00:36:25,922 Where could I end up, you know? 721 00:36:25,966 --> 00:36:27,228 This could be... 722 00:36:27,272 --> 00:36:29,404 What will my family think? 723 00:36:29,448 --> 00:36:31,319 What will anybody think 724 00:36:31,363 --> 00:36:33,278 when this happens, you know? 725 00:36:33,321 --> 00:36:36,150 Mahony did call me. He was out of town with some meeting. 726 00:36:36,194 --> 00:36:37,717 I can't remember where. 727 00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,154 But when he did get back, he did talk to me. 728 00:36:40,198 --> 00:36:41,242 I remember saying to him, 729 00:36:41,286 --> 00:36:42,374 I said, "You know, Bishop, 730 00:36:42,417 --> 00:36:44,376 "this whole thing has been going on 731 00:36:44,419 --> 00:36:48,206 for the past"-- and I'd been keeping a record of the days-- 732 00:36:48,249 --> 00:36:49,859 "40 days." 733 00:36:49,903 --> 00:36:52,253 It was, like, actually 40 days. 734 00:36:52,297 --> 00:36:53,733 I said, "It's"-- 735 00:36:53,776 --> 00:36:56,866 I said, "It's been a real desert experience for me," 736 00:36:56,910 --> 00:36:59,129 using an analogy from the Scripture 737 00:36:59,173 --> 00:37:01,784 and, you know, the whole 40 years in the desert 738 00:37:01,828 --> 00:37:03,308 type of thing. 739 00:37:03,351 --> 00:37:06,659 I said, "It's been a real Lenten experience for me, 740 00:37:06,702 --> 00:37:09,270 I guess," I said, "even outside of Lent." 741 00:37:09,314 --> 00:37:11,838 And he was very supportive, you know. 742 00:37:11,881 --> 00:37:13,187 He was very compassionate. 743 00:37:13,231 --> 00:37:14,536 I felt at the time-- 744 00:37:14,580 --> 00:37:16,234 I think he was merely calling 745 00:37:16,277 --> 00:37:18,627 to, uh, check how I was doing, 746 00:37:18,671 --> 00:37:20,368 because he obviously knew 747 00:37:20,412 --> 00:37:22,152 I had been very stressed out over the situation, 748 00:37:22,196 --> 00:37:23,980 and I told him that, you know. 749 00:37:24,024 --> 00:37:25,286 And he got back to me 750 00:37:25,330 --> 00:37:27,549 and said, "This is where we are: 751 00:37:27,593 --> 00:37:30,378 Uh, "No charge is being filed, 752 00:37:30,422 --> 00:37:32,206 "but we are moving you on, 753 00:37:32,250 --> 00:37:36,123 and here's a couple of other parts to the package deal." 754 00:37:36,166 --> 00:37:37,690 The bishop, the attorneys, 755 00:37:37,733 --> 00:37:38,952 and the police department 756 00:37:38,995 --> 00:37:40,867 decided that maybe it was best 757 00:37:40,910 --> 00:37:43,130 to move me on to another situation 758 00:37:43,173 --> 00:37:44,653 out of the particular county 759 00:37:44,697 --> 00:37:47,177 in which these charges will be filed, 760 00:37:47,221 --> 00:37:48,788 and then to, uh-- 761 00:37:48,831 --> 00:37:52,270 they'll let me take care of the business there. 762 00:37:52,313 --> 00:37:57,405 And Mahony's people promised the police 763 00:37:57,449 --> 00:38:00,234 that he would never have another parish, 764 00:38:00,278 --> 00:38:02,323 that he wouldn't be around kids, 765 00:38:02,367 --> 00:38:03,977 and they'd take care of it. 766 00:38:04,020 --> 00:38:09,287 In the Vatican Ecclesiastical system, 767 00:38:09,330 --> 00:38:11,419 there's this term that's used. 768 00:38:11,463 --> 00:38: