Joy Division

514 00:29:41,406 --> 00:29:43,704 or "a bit more yellow." 515 00:29:43,775 --> 00:29:45,709 "Magnificent but humble." 516 00:29:45,777 --> 00:29:47,210 "Faster but slower." 517 00:29:47,279 --> 00:29:50,112 - Whether it was pot or whether it was... - You're right. 518 00:29:50,181 --> 00:29:52,741 The Zen school of production, I don't know. 519 00:29:52,817 --> 00:29:53,943 We're ready. 520 00:29:54,019 --> 00:29:56,954 Let's try one. 521 00:29:57,022 --> 00:29:59,422 Give me a fucking break. 522 00:30:01,259 --> 00:30:02,226 Put coffee in. 523 00:30:02,294 --> 00:30:06,687 Memorably at the AMS, a digital delay line. 524 00:30:06,765 --> 00:30:09,734 He pressed the button, hit the snare drum, it goes... 525 00:30:09,801 --> 00:30:12,736 Oh, the snare drum's in the box now. 526 00:30:12,804 --> 00:30:14,738 How have you done that, Martin? That's amazing. 527 00:30:14,806 --> 00:30:18,599 It was using that machine that Martin changed drum sounds forever. 528 00:30:18,677 --> 00:30:23,038 But I never knew that Martin was significantly involved in creating the machine. 529 00:30:23,114 --> 00:30:26,982 These two strange whiz kids from AMS, 530 00:30:27,052 --> 00:30:29,282 Burnley, Lancashire, England, 531 00:30:29,354 --> 00:30:32,790 had discovered Hannett and... 532 00:30:32,857 --> 00:30:35,155 once a month they would meet him in a car park 533 00:30:35,226 --> 00:30:37,990 on top of the moors, in between Manchester and Burnley. 534 00:30:38,063 --> 00:30:44,363 And this lunatic... stroke drug addict would climb out of his old Volvo, 535 00:30:44,436 --> 00:30:45,903 into the back of their car, 536 00:30:45,971 --> 00:30:51,631 and would rabbit on for 30 minutes about the sounds he was imagining in his head. 537 00:30:54,346 --> 00:31:00,074 I think Martin proposed a way to understand Joy Division. 538 00:31:00,151 --> 00:31:02,676 He heard something. 539 00:31:02,754 --> 00:31:03,982 He saw something. 540 00:31:04,055 --> 00:31:07,991 He felt something from them... 541 00:31:08,059 --> 00:31:12,825 and was able to project in his mind what it could be. 542 00:31:12,897 --> 00:31:15,161 Well, the songs were great anyway. 543 00:31:15,233 --> 00:31:16,427 Martin didn't write them. 544 00:31:16,501 --> 00:31:17,866 He only produced them. 545 00:31:17,936 --> 00:31:20,599 He started, you know, chipping in when we needed him. 546 00:31:20,672 --> 00:31:22,935 But that's the job of a producer anyway, really. 547 00:31:23,008 --> 00:31:26,535 I just remember the whole... the sleeve, you know. 548 00:31:26,611 --> 00:31:30,304 It was just an uncanny moment because it did belong in your collection, 549 00:31:30,382 --> 00:31:32,441 next to Roxy Music, next to Velvet, 550 00:31:32,517 --> 00:31:33,814 and it didn't look wrong. 551 00:31:33,885 --> 00:31:36,012 It was just next to <i>Diamond Dogs</i>, 552 00:31:36,087 --> 00:31:37,179 it was a great piece of work. 553 00:31:37,255 --> 00:31:38,813 But it didn't borrow any of that language. 554 00:31:38,890 --> 00:31:40,414 It didn't borrow any of that visual language. 555 00:31:40,492 --> 00:31:41,720 It was totally itself, 556 00:31:41,793 --> 00:31:44,455 and I couldn't work out how or where it had come from. 557 00:31:44,529 --> 00:31:48,989 I made the cover that I would have wanted, 558 00:31:49,067 --> 00:31:51,433 had I found it in a record rack. 559 00:31:51,503 --> 00:31:57,098 And nobody, um, obliged me to do otherwise. 560 00:31:59,310 --> 00:32:00,299 They'd given me the elements. 561 00:32:00,378 --> 00:32:03,211 I mean, the wave pattern is astonishing. 562 00:32:03,281 --> 00:32:07,713 I mean, one amazing image for something called <i>Unknown Pleasures</i>. 563 00:32:10,955 --> 00:32:13,219 I took it to Rob's house. 564 00:32:13,291 --> 00:32:14,758 I took the artwork to Rob. 565 00:32:14,826 --> 00:32:16,691 And he said, "I have a test pressing. 566 00:32:16,761 --> 00:32:18,251 Do you want to listen to it?" 567 00:32:18,329 --> 00:32:22,390 I didn't know if I could sit through 40 minutes of Joy Division, 568 00:32:22,467 --> 00:32:26,301 especially in front of their manager. 569 00:32:26,371 --> 00:32:31,773 Um, but I couldn't really say no, 570 00:32:31,843 --> 00:32:37,909 and within moments I knew that I had a part in a kind of life-changing experience. 571 00:32:40,085 --> 00:32:46,490 Minute after minute was beyond anything I could have expected. 572 00:32:46,558 --> 00:32:49,254 It was just beyond. 573 00:32:49,327 --> 00:32:50,624 It was astonishing. 574 00:32:51,329 --> 00:32:52,694 And just as soon as it started, 575 00:32:52,764 --> 00:32:55,358 and the drums sounded like no drums had ever sounded, 576 00:32:55,433 --> 00:32:59,903 and everything seemed to belong in its own space and not quite connecting somehow. 577 00:32:59,971 --> 0